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Ziggy Pop: Zero пишет: а чеже он тогда сказал I love you all, but I'm too old for this shit я так и не понял что его растроило, что он плюнул и ушел со сцены. народ болтал, Лысый залупился, чего тут непонятного?=) да-да, барабаны не впечатляют.
Zero: Ziggy Pop пишет: народ болтал, Лысый залупился, чего тут непонятного?=) какой он бл*** нервный!
Ziggy Pop: Zero пишет: какой он бл*** нервный! ты не шаришь, у него тонкая душевная организация, бл***ь=)))
Antares: Zero пишет: типа показывает какой он виртуоз Что касается гитарных пассажей, ни хрена он в них не виртуоз. Вот композитор и аранжировщик - это да.
Ziggy Pop: Corgan gives interview on Rush, punk, marketing, and next EP (!?) Billy Corgan’s pre-tour media blitz continues as Jeff Niesel of snarky urban weekly Cleveland Scene has posted a new interview with the Smashing Pumpkins frontman. Niesel explores genre, labeling the band “post-punk/goth/metal” and asking Corgan if the band had “punk rock roots.” Corgan’s response: None of us were really into punk rock. I loved punk music, but I wasn’t a fan in the sense that it influenced my writing. I grew up [with] a musician dad who was very critical of bands that couldn’t play their instruments. And part of what punk was about was that you don’t have to play well; you just have to feel right. I saw Bad Brains, 7 Seconds, and DOA. I loved them and thought they were great. But they never influenced me. There was a moment in time with Nirvana and Green Day when punk came into the mainstream. Everyone pretended to be into punk. But I didn’t want to pretend I was into the Clash because I wasn’t. Corgan also talks more about the band Rush — specifically crediting Neil Peart’s lyrics as an influence — and he revisits the Zeitgeist marketing controversy. Perhaps most intriguingly, Corgan may have suggested that the second batch of songs from Teargarden by Kaleidyscope will not be released in the same manner as was the first: [Cleveland Scene:] Do you really intend to release some 44 songs? [Billy Corgan:] Yeah. I have more songs written, which is just absurd. The nice thing is that as I get some distance from them, I then realize which ones aren’t that great. The next EP comes out the day of the Cleveland show. I have four more songs ready to go and we’ll try to record some more in September and try to keep outrunning the train. full text here: http://www.clevescene.com/c-notes/archives/2010/07/02/pre-show-qanda-smashing-pumpkins
Ziggy Pop: Smashing Pumpkins bring first tour since 2008 to Orbit Room in Grand Rapids July 04, 2010 Corgan said he expects it will take a few years to complete the ambitious project, which eventually will be released in some "comprehensive box set" form with a DVD. "I'm letting people watch me as I do it. I don't expect it to necessarily be understood. Music culture isn't built for something like this," he explained. "As songs come out over the next few years, you'll see a musical progression of where I'd like to end up. It's more of a musical journey, the album. Every song is not meant to be perfect." http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/07/smashing_pumpkins_bring_first.html He also raved about the chemistry in the recently revamped Smashing Pumpkins, suggesting Fiorentino (formerly a member of Light FM, Radio Vago and Veruca Salt) may be the "linchpin." "She's bringing so much to the table as a person and musically," he said. "It's the first time in a long time where I'm looking for that contribution from outside people. Jeff and Nicole are really stepping up to the plate on the idea level. "This is really a band situation. This is not just a situation I put together and dictate what I need as I go along." вот это особенно улыбку вызывает: This is not just a situation I put together and dictate what I need as I go along ну-ну, Билли, посмотрю я, насколько тебя хватит=)
Ziggy Pop: Smashing Pumpkins “broadcasting from USTREAM in an hour or so” Here is the Ustream link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/smashingpumpkins
Ziggy Pop: Billy Corgan on Smashing Pumpkins' Early Years, Free Music, and the Rotating Lineup By Christine Borges Tue., Jul. 6 2010 The New Times is only so big. As much as we'd like to temporarily convert it into the Smashing Pumpkins New Times in honor of their sold out show at Revolution on July 20, we can't (hey, believe me, I tried!). Instead, here's a preview of some of the stuff Billy Corgan had to say that didn't make it to print, about the early years of touring with Pearl Jam and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, why he's decided to release his music for free, track by track, and getting back into loud guitars. Oh, and in case you want a preview of what the July 20 show will be like, we found two videos of his first small venues show at the Viper Room in Hollywood. We're good like that. New Times: What were you going for with the new stuff? Billy Corgan: I'm very into production and recording and stuff like that, but I think at some point you can get so lost in that that you lose sort of the let's just call it the groove or the underneath feel that makes someone wanna shake their hips kind of thing. Like the Rolling Stones have always been good at that. They always have that kind of feel in their music. So I kind of just wanted to get back to that kind of just that basic feeling. And sometimes I sacrifice maybe a little bit of production or song or whatever to get that feeling. For me it was just a place to start where I could feel the rhythmic pulse of the music more then let's call it the intellectual pulse of the music. Smashing Pumpkins was never really like "hip shaking" kind of band, though. I felt like it was more of a jumping up and down kind of band. Well this is my white suburban version of hip shaking, you understand [laughs]. It's not the same as James Brown, let's put it that way. So then if you're doing it this way where you're releasing all the songs for free, did you get the inspiration behind Radiohead's In Rainbows? We actually put out an album for free in 2000, Machina 2. Not sure if you know that situation. We put out a second version of that album [Machina] with different songs. Now we released that for free in 2000. Generally speaking, people consider it the first big free album. So I went through that experience in 2000 and what it was like to put out music for free, and there were good things about it and bad things about it. And of course I watched what happened when Radiohead did that. For me it's a personal decision based on how I want to live my life. It's really confusing to me when someone says they're a fan and they own four albums, but they don't want to buy the new album, you know what I mean? So why release each album track by track? Any idea on when the full album will be released? Umm... No, because I'm basically going to put out the songs as they come. The track by track thing for me was I just got sick of putting all of this energy making an album, then working with the record company, having them put out one single. And when the single didn't do what they wanted it to do... In our case, generally speaking, our singles would be successful, they just wouldn't be successful enough, then the record company would abandon them. So we'd be sort of sitting there with a whole album, the songs weren't getting played on the radio, we couldn't get any money for a video, so what are we supposed to do? I got sick of that. I got sick of some sort of angry dad telling me what I could and couldn't do. So for me it's about being in a place where all the choices are mine. I used to get really frustrated with fans and when stuff would come up and they'd ask me certain questions like, "Why'd you do this?" And I'd just say, "Oh, man, you just don't understand how fucked up the record business is. You're giving me shit about some dumb thing over here, you don't know what I've gotta go through even just to get this music out." So I got sick of that conversation. So I thought, "Right, I'm just gonna get rid of that." So now when a fan comes up and complains, they're coming up to the person to complain to. A lot of times I think it has to do with loyalty. They're just so attached to the original lineup that they're scared of listening to the new members. They're scared that they won't do the band justice. Yeah, well, I dunno. I'm just a different person. Like I'm a fan of Neil Young, right? So anything Neil Young puts out, I buy. And sometimes I listen to it and I don't understand it, and I just set it aside and I come back to it three years later. But I buy it because I'm a fan of the artist. I don't understand fans who have four albums and come to 14 shows but won't buy the new album, because to me they're making a pretty big decision over 15 dollars, like they'll pay five dollars for a latte. But I had to get away from that. Now there's no excuse. If you want to hear the new music, you just go get it, there it is for free. And if you don't like it, then that's okay. But I'm counting on the fact that the more people hear it, they'll like it because they know that it's good. So I'm gonna go with that for now. Yeah, 'cause you're doing it the way you want to do it. Right, but what I'm saying is if they don't like the way I'm doing something, then at least I'm saying, "Yeah, well I did it for this reason," or "you and I just disagree about what that means." It's not like I'm sitting there feeling like frustrated because they fucked me on this side over here and the fan doesn't understand. This has nothing to do with me, but this is just like a funny story. We're on a tour in 1992 I believe it was. It was Red Hot Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam's album had just come out, and they put out their first song, which was "Alive," and it was doing okay but it wasn't doing amazing. It was doing okay. And I walked into their dressing room at some point or something and they all had sad faces on. And I said, "What's going on?" And they were like, "We just found out that the record company is gonna pull all our money and we may even have to cancel the rest of the dates on the tour for us." And this was a successful tour. Chili Peppers had "Under the Bridge" and it went on to be a very big album for them. And it was a lot of energy, the tour was very exciting. And I was like, "Wow, that's incredible" and they were like, "Yeah, we don't know what to do." And of course like a week later, MTV added "Alive" and it became a massive hit. But I actually saw it happen with another band which obviously went on to be very successful. Of them sitting there going, "What the fuck are we gonna do?" And that's the part that a normal fan... it's not their problem, but a normal fan doesn't understand those moments in a musician's life where you put yourself in a situation because you don't have the resources, you don't have the access to the media or whatever, and you're counting on somebody to really follow through, and you put your best into it, you made a good album, and they decide for whatever fucked up reason they're into that day that they're gonna put their money into a dance band or something. That's the part that success doesn't always measure is the opportunities that you have or don't have within the record system. So for me, getting out of the record system has taken me back to being a happier person, and I think that'll have a positive effect on the way that the fans, the concerts, the music will come across. Because I'm not in that space of feeling like somebody's got a gun pointed to my head half the time. Of course because -- for lack of a better word -- you're not waiting for "the man" to decide what you're gonna do next. That's exactly what it was like from 1990 to 2008 for me. So for 18 or 19 years I literally felt like I was waiting for the man or a man or a woman to decide -- depending on what side of the bed they got up on that day -- whether or not they were gonna support my band or what I was doing. That starts to drive you crazy. That starts to drive you fucking nuts. Barring that, I think you guys were still really successful. Especially with Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, that you guys had so many big singles out of it. No, no, it's... we were able to work within the system, but we always felt really uncomfortable with it. I'm not saying we would've done better without it, I'm just saying we felt uncomfortable with the compromises that were being asked of us. What inspired the change for you reflected in Adore that you're sort of straying away from now? Yeah, well it was a very difficult period in my life. The biggest thing that happened was my mom died. And I just didn't feel... I wasn't in any hurry to play loud guitar, you know what I mean? It just didn't feel right to me. I always see playing loud guitar as a fun thing. I grew up on heavy metal and stuff, so for me I associate playing loud guitar with heavy metal and having fun and playing solos and jumping around. After my mom died, I just wasn't in that mood. I feel like your music had a big change aesthetically after you took that 2 year break after Jonathan passed away. And you did Adore. It was a much softer vibe from the Pumpkins. Yeah, I mean. I've always tried to go after what I feel is best at the time and I'm sort of obsessive in that. I'm totally into it, and then when I'm done I want to get away from it. Right now I'm very much into guitar rock. Loud guitar... I'm having a great time playing loud guitars again.
Ziggy Pop: Here is some info regarding the 'soundcheck sets' at the various shows...Because of the different venues, unexpected delays with loading in gear, and hassles that can occur with anything from travel to miscommunication, we are not able to set a consistent time with regards to when some fans would be let in to see us play...I also want to ensure that Kill Hannah and Bad City get some kind of soundcheck, so all these factors will impact the duration and the start time...we expect to play at least 5-6 songs each day, and if things go well possibly a little more...No less than the first 20 people in line would be let in, and we will have some system where you wouldn't lose your place in line if you have to go back out of the building...We hope this will be a fun experience for everyone, I know we look forward to trying some of the new material...No audio or video taping will be allowed at these soundcheck sets, so please respect and honor our wishes on that...If things go well, we might let in a few people more. Rock on, love BC http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/43121.html
Coma: Ziggy Pop пишет: Right now I'm very much into guitar rock. Loud guitar... I'm having a great time playing loud guitars again. ну-ну =)
Ziggy Pop: Coma пишет: ну-ну =) ну а что не так?=) мы ж на концерты нового турне всё равно не попадём, а судить по песне Фрик я не буду насчёт "громких гитар" =)
Philosopher: Меж тем, появился первый бутлег,Live at Viper Room on 2010-06-30 - отсутствуют первые несколько песен, и качество дерьмо, слишком громко слышно трепотню публики =)) Доступно всё на тех же архивах. Барабаны мне по прежнему не нравятся, этому малышу нужно ещё учиться. кстати, послушал Make it happen с недавней траснляции, песня крута, и в ней опять же чисто Звановское настроение, не знаю хорошо это или плохо
Ziggy Pop: Philosopher пишет: Live at Viper Room on 2010-06-30 - отсутствуют первые несколько песен, и качество дерьмо, не-е, такое слушать точно не стану
Ziggy Pop: Billy Corgan said to be “checking in” via Ustream tonight at 8:30pm CT http://twitter.com/kristinburns/status/17982104003
Ziggy Pop: Some highlights from the ustream chat with @Billy and friends for those who missed it: -All band members were on at some point, mostly Billy and Nicole although Mike was there for a while also. -Billy and Kristin made a few joking references to last night’s ukelele incident, and Billy gave a shout out to robochimp. -Nicole’s favorite SP song is Luna, and they rehearsed it a bit but Billy thought it wouldn’t go with the rest of the setlist. I believe he said that after going through the show it might fit, but it was hard to hear him. -The economic climate is keeping them from traveling to places like South America, said Billy upon many comments about “when are you coming to Chile/Brazil?” -Billy mentioned possibly releasing some future songs on iTunes. The rest of this EP is already in the can, though. -Songs from If All Goes Wrong (99 Floors, Gossamer, and Peace+Love were mentioned specifically) are not part of the TBK project and will most likely not be recorded, although there is a partially finished Gossamer demo from the Zeitgeist sessions. -Mike Byrne loves Mountain Dew and video games, both old-school and new. He was exhausted after the show last night (specifically mentioned Gossamer being very long) and had no trouble sleeping on the tour bus. -Billy thought Nicole and Mike had a good show last night, but said that he and Jeff had a harder time. He thought the show went ok and that the audience was good, especially with it being so hot. Billy says they will not be recording Gossamer, 99 Floors, Peace+Love, etc… He considers them part of the If All Goes Wrong project, not Teargarden, and are thus “rear view mirror at this point”. He says they did a half-complete version of Gossamer for Zeitgeist, but never really got it together. вот это жаль конечно, моя мечта насчёт студийной версии Gossamer теперь окончательно похерена... интересно было бы послушать наполовину законченную версию, которую они записали ещё во время Zeitgeist-cессий, да только ж где её возмёшь
Andy: Ziggy Pop пишет: вот это жаль конечно, моя мечта насчёт студийной версии Gossamer теперь окончательно похерена... Да и ладно, у нас есть очень крутой шестиканальный лайв на DVD. Неплохо было б и все остальные песни того периода в таком качестве заиметь. Что-то вроде Earphoria II с треклистом как на этом бутлеге: 1. The Rose March (live 07) 2. Superchrist (live 07) 3. Peace And Love (live 07) 4. No Surrender (live 07) 5. 99 Floors (live 07) 6. The Leaving Lament (live 07) 7. If All Goes Wrong (live 07) 8. Psalm 131 (live 07) 9. Question Mark (live 07) 10. If Only In A Dream (live 07) 11. Mama (live 07) 12. I'm Doing The Best I Can (live 07) 13. Promise Me (live 07) 14. Gossamer (live 07) http://thepumpkins.net/music/672-music-residency-songs-07
Philosopher: Andy это верно! но у Лысого то в закромах полюбому есть и версии лучшего качества, плюс та же песня Orpheus чё-то там, которая звучит периодически на Dvd If all goes wrong..
Ziggy Pop: Andy пишет: у нас есть очень крутой шестиканальный лайв на DVD так-то да, но я мечтал о студийной версии Gossamer...
Andy: He also talked about releasing “some other things” soonish, said something about “different versions of some songs” and mentioned talking to iTunes about some exclusive stuff. http://blog.hipstersunited.com/2010/07/07/bcbackonustream/#comment-22848
Desire: Зигги, не ты один :( Госсамер ну просто просится в студию! Корган - мудак
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